Wednesday, November 05, 2008

The story of a Baptist pastor's wife who voted for Obama

Once upon a time, there was a Baptist pastor's daughter. She didn't drink and she didn't chew and she didn't run with boys that do. She was a good Christian, which meant that she was a good Republican, and believed that God, himself, was the first red state. That's what her church implied. That's what local Christian radio implied. That's what the Baptist Standard implied. So, God must be a Republican.

She went to a small Baptist college, where she received a small Baptist scholarship. She took her first political science course, taught by one of the pillars of this institution ... and within the first week he proudly stated that he had always been, and would always be, a Democrat. The girl was looking around her, wondering why everyone else was not having a heart attack. I mean, he might as well have said he cross-dresses on the weekends. She kept wondering, "How is the university okay with this??" Because, Democrats did not follow Jesus ... right?

Our heroine married. She married a good Baptist minister, and they served in a quickly dwindling good Baptist white church in the middle of a Hispanic neighborhood. She worked for one of the most well-known fundamentalist Baptist pastor's in the nation.

And then everything changed.

She met people outside of her good Baptist circle that also loved Jesus. She thought that everything she ever needed to know, she had learned at the Southern Baptist Convention. But lo and behold, she had not been given the whole story. Her theory that no one had to live in poverty if they just worked hard and budgeted ... well, wait a minute ... that's not necessarily accurate? The Bible talks about the poor? Like the stuff that good Baptists should be doing for the poor?

Our girl fell more in love with Jesus every day. She soaked him up like a sponge. Yet, the more she did that, the more he challenged her to do more ... to learn more ... to understand more ... to love and serve more.

Her entire world view changed. Ironically, it finally included - the whole world! She realized how wealthy she was. She realized how selfish she was. She realized how wasteful she was. And God said, "Please change this," and she said, "Ah, crap."

She opened her heart. She opened her life. She started worshiping God by taking care of all he provides. She became a much better steward of things, and living with less so that her family could share more. She added children to her home whose history and heritage cannot even fathom the wealth of the US middle class. She read what God has to say about peace and love and mercy and grace, because this was new to her. She had spent most of her childhood talking about not having sex, and was too busy for all that other stuff.

Abortion once disgusted her, but now it made her cry. She studied it - really studied it. She found that the Republicans had a plan for stopping abortion, but in reality, it wouldn't work. In fact, it might only put a small dent in it. Yet, with more active social programs, fewer women have abortions. The mothers want to parent their babies, they just need a way. They need more options. And our girl realized that for every woman who selfishly takes advantage or is purposefully irresponsible, there are many more who raise their children into adulthood. Her typical straight ticket would do nothing for dying babies and desperate mothers now - nothing.

"Ah, crap."

She was normal, in all of the normal ways. She liked money. Her husband liked money. Money buys things. Money is cool. Yet, the love of it is also the root of all evil. So, knowing that life will always cost more and more and more money, her family started to spend less. They planned for increases and did not live on all of their money ... and they could start to give more away. They had more than they needed, and they shared with those who did not. And it was good. And there were people in government that wanted to do more of the same types of programs (like public schools), to help more people be healthy and have a better chance at being sustainable. That is kind of world that our girl wanted. That is America to her.

The Republicans yelled in her ear, "The Democrats want all of your money!" So, what would they do with all that money? She studied it. She learned about it. She realized it would go to help all people. It would go to make our nation more sustainable, which would then free up more money to help more people all over the world. It would be a greater reflection of how her own home functions ... a way which reflects her Jesus. While God's church is supposed to be serving "the least of these," we also are some of the wealthiest people in the world, and our country could do more. Our country could glorify God. She liked that. Our girl liked that!

And so it was, in November 2008, our girl cast her vote for the very first African American president. She completed that arrow with her felt tip pen, knowing that this candidate, even though he believes in the same Jesus, did not reflect her in every opinion or approach. She helped to elect a man for a job, not a Savior for eternity. She exercised an amazing right, that many people around the world do not enjoy. She did so, knowing that there are many that feel she was sinful. She cried a bit, realizing that people assume her relationship with Christ is shallow or watered down (words that good Baptists use a lot to talk about those who try to make their faith fit their lifestyle). She found herself heartbroken by these thoughts, because she made her decision completely guided by her God and the book of his words that he has left for her. She knows that every single fault and slip of this president will mean a few "I told you so's."

In the Bible Belt, she took the road less traveled.

She voted for Obama.

The pastor's wife of the First Baptist Church in rural Oklahoma voted for Barack Obama.

And she now wonders if she would get fewer hateful comments and emails if she had just said she was a lesbian.


dreamingBIGdreams said...

I love your post. I am proud of you Baptist preachers wife.

I totally get what you mean about people questioning your salvation if you even say the word Obama. YUCK it makes me want to throw up!

Have a great day! I LOVE LOVE LOVE your blog!

Jessica said...

Yes, I am WITH you! My husband was a pastor at a large Baptist church in a small town and recently left the ministry (philosophical reasons NOT moral failure) . . . and now that people in our small town know that we supported Obama we are beyond heretics . . . if there is such a thing . . . I can relate to your story on many levels. .. I always look forward to your posts on my reader. Intelligent, convicting . .. thanks. You're right, it may be better to admit you're a lesbian! Ha! Hope you don't get a lot of crap about it, it sounds like you are leading authentically and Biblically

princessdreacolgrove said...

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT ! I felt some of these same feelings as well yesterday, but I knew when I heard his speech at the end of the night in my heart I made the right choice ! People may judge me and you, but it is their own ignorence ! Same goes for those who judged me on that one, lonely, cold, dark day ! BUT...not one single person except for God can judge me, nor does anybody know the reasoning or circumstances behind any of the decisiones you or I may make in our lifetime !
P.S. We lost our baby cousin in the early hours of the morning today. He was 7 weeks old. Most likely SIDS. It took me back to a place I was 2 years ago and I was a complete mess ! I'm trying to build up enough courage to make it there, but I don't know if I can. J has been in Mexia since early this morning. This morning it also reminded me of how THANKFUL I am to YOU for being there for me through every step of the way when I lost my precious Presley !

happygeek said...

This Canadian who grew up Baptist who thought Liberal was a swear word until she was 19 would have voted Obama had she been allowed. (there's these crazy rules about citizenship.)
I have always, always expected rhetoric in an election. And propaganda. But the extent of the "Christian" propaganda this time has saddened me greatly.
God is not a card carrying member of any organization. He probably doesn't care who you vote for as much as the why.

Mom-To-Be said...

Thank you for having independent thought. Thank you for being brave enough to post things that people may not agree with (sometimes including myself). Thank you for not being afraid....maybe one day I can be half as not afraid as you are.

Llama Momma said...

Bless you. Bless you. Bless you.

Georgia said...

That was da bomb diggity.

Anonymous said...

There was a small baptist preacher, of a small baptist church, that didn't want to vote. But, he did...holding his nose because he didn't like the choices.

His nominee didn't win, but that doesn't mean he's angry. He remembers that God is in control, and the person now in charge is a profession christian.

So, he goes back to his small preachy ways, of his small baptist church. Maybe, is some small way, he might actually begin to look like Jesus...



Love ya, hun!

Lyds said...

you amaze me more and more each time we interact. why weren't we bff in college?!?! haha nah, i probably would have tried to make out with you ;)

darbishar said...

It makes me sad to see how red our state is. I wanted to see a little blue spot in the OKC that represented my vote. I wanted to be able to point to it and say "see that's me, there's my vote!" But I guess that is what I get for living in a state where people who share my same views are few and far between. Cheers to you other blue spot!

Sara said...

I'm proud of you. Had you voted with your heart and it said vote McCain I would be proud of you too. Voting with intelligence and leading with your heart...thats the way to go. THere is no wrong in that.

Recovering Noah said...

Awww, Christine. Love you. Love, love, love you!!

I'm going to have to link to your blog. Amazing post.

Leslie :-)

Julia said...

Thank you so much for writing this. I come from (and still live in) a similar cultural environment as you and also voted for Obama and this was really encouraging to read.

Christine said...

Lydia, you're probably right. One of my other sweet homo gal pals tells me I would make a great lesbian.

What exactly does that mean, anyway???

CC said...

Yet again, I could not have said it better myself.


I could not, could not have felt good about any other decision knowing that every frickin' day my students are going home to nothing. Literally. They have no health care, no food, no clothes, no mentors. And the programs that once supported them in these areas? All cut. Cut!?

My vote is about social justice. And although abortion makes me cry (hey, I"m an adoptive mama too), keeping a child only to neglect and abuse it because you had no intention of being a mom and no support... that makes me cry more. And I work with about 20 of these kids right now. Today. One hour ago.

Love, a seminary student's wife who voted for Obama and cried tears of joy last night.

BooBs said...

You know I cried tears of joy about this election and you just got me all choked up again.

Your courage constantly amazes me. Keep on walking the walk, and leading by example.



Heather of the EO said...

I am in love with this post. Sorry if I pass it on to about 5 bazillion people without your permission.

Kelli said...

I'll have to go against the tide and say, you didn't have to vote for either one.

Oh Christine, I'm so sad. I'm so glad you are real, but seriously? I mean, seriously you voted for Obama?

As a h/s mom, have you had the chance to study economic practices of the past? In theory, spreading it around sounds good but as far back in our country as the Puritans did they try that and it failed. Great in theory, lousy for the economy in reality. People began being less generous knowing all they produced by hard work went to those who were not working and then there was barely enough to cover everyone's needs. We can not let government programs solve any of our needs. As Christians, we need to be the hands and yes, we've (me) have done a crummy, crummy job of this.

One question, I am sincerely asking if you used any scripture to base your choice on. I really am sincerely interested. I was convicted in a completely different direction (I couldn't vote for either McCain or Obama) by God's word. Just would love an open discussion on that. No bashing. I am truly interested...

BTW, it's the love of money that's the root of all evil..not money itself.

Hillary said...

"She helped to elect a man for a job, not a Savior for eternity."


FAbulous post, Christine!

Kelli said...

To clarify, I did vote, but chose the write-in option.

Cammie said...

Ugh! Let me just say I am not did pimp him whenever you had the chance...and I love you for your independent mind!

Jessica said...

I hope you don't mind if I link to you?

Anonymous said...

I felt much the same way voting for Obama in a traditionally red state, when certain in-laws have made very clear their opinion of the eternal destination of anyone who votes for him...

I was shocked and happy to see my state (Indiana) voting blue for the first time in 40-some years.

I work in a large inner-city hospital, and I wholeheartedly believe that the majority of these moms are doing the best they can for their babies. Sometimes these social programs (WIC, Head Start, social workers, daycare subsidies) that are so often cut are making all the difference in helping them parent their babies well.

Anonymous said...

I go to a church that is mostly conservative. I am more liberal than most people there. I am a Christian, no doubt about it in my mind.

When I went to an Obama rally, before we got in, I saw some people holding up a sign that said, "Christians for Obama." "yes," I thought to myself, "that's where I belong." :)

Judy/Just Enjoy Him

Anonymous said...

One of my big issues in this election (as ever) was abortion/life. The classic pro-life answer is so clear: it's Republican, it's the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

Another of my big issues (really big for me) is the problem of health care. Having experienced first hand both the US system and universal healthcare abroad, I am keen to see the latter introduced, so the answer to this one is Democrat.

Two big issues, split between the candidates... What to do? And then I realised the two were actually hand-in-glove.

If a woman who has no insurance becomes pregnant, what are her choices? Paying out of pocket to give birth will cost her... what?... $5,000 with no complications? $15,000 with interventions? $40,000 with severe complications? Or, she could have an abortion -- how much does that cost? If these are her options, it's easy to see how even someone who has a moral objection to abortion may feel they have no other option. $5,000... $15,000... or more... it's a lot of money.

One sixth of the women in this country are uninsured. And, even amongst the ones who have insurance, a awful lot of them don't have maternity cover. So that's a huge percentage of women in the US -- potentially as many as a third of the population -- who would have to face this financial choice if they ended up pregnant.

And they would still have to face that choice even if Roe v. Wade were overturned, because you know as well as I do that someone somewhere would be offering them a backstreet abortion...

But if the US had universal healthcare, where all pregnancies were covered, everything changes. The cost of giving birth disappears (or diminishes) as a deciding factor -- the issue for the pregnant woman becomes one of whether she wants the baby, not of how she pays the hospital bill. And for a lot of women, that very well might be the thing that turns them away from a termination and turns them toward the possibility of life instead.

So, the question for pro-lifers is, is it just about making abortion illegal, or is it about actually reducing the number of babies who die through abortion? Because if it's the latter, then Obama -- for all his being so clearly pro-choice -- might actually be offering a policy that would bring the pro-life movement closer to its true goal. And that strange twist created a huge dilemma for me and made this election very very difficult indeed!

Christine said...


Thanks for pointing out the type-o. It has been corrected.

Feel free to google search or check out the Matthew 25 Network, as a starting place on Christ Followers who voted for Obama. I'm sorry this is new to you. These discussions have been going on for two years.

Tammy said...

Thank you for posting this - makes me feel like I'm not the only one. I voted for Obama for similar reasons, after much careful thought. My husband supports me (and voted likewise) but my parents think I have gone insane.

Thank you for voicing so elegantly what I feel.

Tracy said...

I just love you.

QueenTracy said...

*clapping* Good for you! This Southern Baptist Preacher's wife from a small rural town in Missouri also voted for Obama. Its been a tough week. "Friends" have turned to political enemies and today? Today when I am happy and hopeful...they are uh...well...cranky! LOL

mvaughn said...

Ever since I watched Schindlers List, I am haunted by the closing scene of "I could have done more". A man that did so much, yet realizing he could have done more. Abortion cannot be the only issue of importance, but with just one more Supremem Court justice possibly swaying the decision, and two presumed to be appointed by the next president, could the selection of president have done more?

Do countries with universal health care not have abortions? I don't think universal health care will stop the obsession with silencing young heartbeats to preserve our social life or to avoid "inconvenience". (I know there are more reasons, which is why I also support exceptions to any ban on abortion...I am generalizing to make a point).

The government requires me to have auto insurance, but neither my employer or the government helps pay for it. By requiring it, the government created a large demand, which drove prices down to a point most everyone can afford. Why can't health insurance be the same. Require it, maybe even regulate rates, but don't run it. Government runs a lot of things, and it always cost more money to deliver less.

I won't judge one vote over another, as there are so many issues to consider and good people can disagree and both still be good people. I certainly will not question one's faith, no is fit to do that but Christ. Personally, I just worry that I will one day face a soul that died a painful death and realize I could have done more.

Candis said...

The following never fail to surprise, yet reassure me:
-How party affiliation CAN convey salvation
-How people persist in equating image with reality
-How white segregationist Jesse Helms managed to produce a black daughter.
-How $750,000,000.00 is NOT welfare
-How Barack Obama is somehow WRONG
-How admittedly non-religious John McCain is somehow RIGHT
-How NRA memberships are a sign of righteousness
-How common Pharisees are, even today

Christine, you are, incomparably, my favorite life pundit. You are the realest, dude. Don't stop.

Brenda said...

Well written Christine. I voted for McCain but had such a hard time doing it. I do not like the man but agree with his politics more than Obama who I like much more as a person. I wouldn't even tell my kids who I voted for because I was so disgusted. It is the first year I have ever been so torn. Tough election but its over. Whew!!

Kelli said...

Thanks Christine- I have indeed delved into the topics on both sides and have lived in all the extremes of Christianity (raised liberal Episcopalian, swung to Assemblies of God, then to non-denominational Christian churches and now delving back into Reformed Theology all while living in 7 states in very different parts of the US. I so understand the "Bible Belt mentality" and love that you question it. I guess I thought you were going to vote "out of the box". I was surprised I guess. I mean NO disrespect to you! :)

mlg said...

Hi Christine, this is Matt Gierhart from Levelland. I really loved reading this post, really well written and thought out. Great work on your blog and particularly this post.

Anonymous said...

mvaughn -- oh, yes, absolutely countries with universal healthcare do have abortions. I wasn't saying it would halt them completely on its own. But it would certainly remove one of the possible reasons (and a very compelling one) to choose an abortion over giving birth. It is one part of the solution -- but I think it is an important part.

What gave me pause in this election is that I felt that both candidates were offering policies that would, ultimately, both harm and help the prolife cause. Obama's healthplan would, I believe, help it by reducing the cost of giving birth, and yet he himself is so clearly pro-choice. McCain offered a pro-life stance and all that goes with that but, at the same time, his healthcare plan would quite possibly throw millions more women into that difficult cost-dilemma should they become pregnant and therefore possibly push more women to choose to abort. That duality on the part of both candidates made the whole pro-life issue so much more complicated and nuanced in this election.

I also just have to make a note that "universal healthcare" and "socialised healthcare" are actually different things, and the terms are not interchangeable (though a lot of people don't realise this). Where you talk about the government running healthcare, you are talking about socialised healthcare (socialised in the same way that our public schools are a socialised system). Universal simply means that everyone is covered in one way or another, but not that the government necessarily provides that cover. Obama's plan leans more toward universal cover than socialised (government run) cover.


I forgot to say in my first comment(and I meant to) how much I loved this post, Christine. Very well put!

Amy said...

That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing so clearly and eloquently. All I have to say is, "yeah, that!"

Anonymous said...

Brave, brave post Christine. I long to have the moxy that is in just your pinky finger. Having grown up Baptist, and still living and working in baptist circles here in the south, my hubby and I constantly feel like we are swimming with the salmon. Thankfully, a few years back, we switched denominations over to the Episcopal church, and finally found our "peeps". (We had thought we were the only ones!) It is a definitely weird - - but very cool - - experience to pull into our church parking lot now and see an equal amount of red and blue bumper stickers! Yet, outside of church, our lives are completely interspersed with conservative baptist theology and politics, and it can get achingly difficult to be straightforward with our true convictions. Thanks so much for being an example to how it can be done! Blessings!

sarahd said...

Here's to the road less-traveled. It is intriguing how much can be assumed about a party, isn't it? Just because a person may be Republican or Democrat doesn't make them more or less moral, ethical, or concerned with the business of enabling people to pull themselves up to greater possibilities. Our country is facing some of the most demanding challenges that this generation has seen. Thank you Christine for your honesty and speaking from a Jesus perspective. We don't hear that much these days because it requires too much. Thank you Christine for being authentic and transparent. It makes us look at ourselves and know that we have to sacrifice it money, time, possibly the shirt off our own back. Regardless how a person voted November 4th, everyone who calls themselves a Christian needs to pray for President-elect more than ever.

lana said...

This was the hardest decision I've made voting...ever. I had many discussions and I even started to feel the "eye of judgment" for questioning and dare I say research topics that concerned me.

I don't even feel I need to say who I voted for because that part is over now.. Obama is the man who will be ALL our president, the reds and the blues.

I have hope. I have faith and I continue to pray just as I have no matter if a Dem or Rep was in the white house. That should never change.

And for all of us who somehow decided that this was the year we would wake up, get educated on issues, vote and make our voices heard and question the status quo... be proud. No matter if you man won or not.

Most of all, I am thankful that millions of children woke up yesterday to know that it no longer matters what color your skin is to have a dream and see it fulfilled.

lana said...

Oh... and Christine, my old friend, thank you for being my catalyst for change and challenging me to see through new eyes on so many issues.

I love you my sister.

Anonymous said...

I so enjoyed your post. You put it beautifully!


You rock on so many levels. I myself am not religious, but I constantly appreciate that you're not just Christian, but also Christ-like.

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Sprittibee said...

Talk to people in Canada about universal health care. I had one of them post on my blog about how horrible it was. I have heard that they wait months and months to be seen. That the care is substandard, and that the waiting periods sometimes outlast the patients. If I were a doctor in America and able to make money here, I would leave the country if my lifestyle changed so much that I had to mortgage my house, sell my car, and was unable to send my kids to college due to the new prices the govt. set for my services. Also, if the govt. controlled health care, why in the world would someone pay out the nose for medical school only to NEVER be able to pay off their loans? Doctors heading out of town, colleges unable to lure people in to med school, shortages of good doctors when you need them, unlimited waiting periods for necessary procedures, ... I see lots of really bad things in the future. But hey - the Canadians can tell you that. They have experienced it first hand.

I liked Ron Paul better than any of the choices. I'm all for doing away with the IRS and the tax code entirely. Make everyone - rich and poor - pay the EXACT SAME. No brain involved. Put it on purchases so illegals are taxed if they work here. Let them all stay, but make them pay in to the system like everyone else. Just imagine 15 billion illegals suddenly starting to pay taxes! HOLY COW - THAT WOULD FIX THE DEFICIT!

Why do people in Washington DC forget how to think after 6 months in office? Oh, yes - I forgot - because lobbying is still legal. It all boils down to money. Follow the money trails and you'll find out a lot of things about BOTH parties that will make you SICK to death of politics FOREVER.

Thany said...

Hey! Nice to see you on my side of the blog. It's funny because I just happened to find you again through BlogHer. I was glad because I'd lost you.

I like this post. I appreciate you and your way of speaking/writing your mind. You are never disrespectful of others and you have passion. I love passion.


Natalie said...

Too many things to say.

Loved it loved it loved it!

I live in Australia where it is compulsory to vote and i appreciate the influence my vote might have on the wider world community. It amazes me that a country that has such an influence on the world can allow its citizens to ignore their impact and opt out. Proxy your vote to me!!

I really respect McCain as a person but I'm so glad that Obama was elected.

I also understand about the silent "I told you so" every time your electee makes a mistake or political momentum takes things out of their hands. Country leaders are not omnicient! That is why your obligation doesn't stop at voting. You have to keep watching and letting them know when you are happy or disappointed.

I love all your posts and enjoy hearing your opinions. You are such a generous person.

Liz said...

Sprittibee; I am Canadian, and while our system is far from perfect, I in no way recognize the system you describe. The question of undocumented immigrants using more benifets and not paying taxes is actually a fairly complex one. Here is another side to the issue


Hahaha! I love it when Americans rant about how awful the Canadian health-care system is and then an actual Canadian steps in and says "what are you talking about?" Puts a smile on my face every time!

Perspective is Everything said...

Thank you for writing this! I have felt so alone in the much larger "RED" state below you. I totally went into this election open.. prayerfully considered, and researched the issues.. and OBAMA is the place I ended up.
I'm amazed at how many people are driven by their fears. AND what they'll say to you!
Nevertheless.. I will always be able to say my vote made history! I may be eating that later.. but it's a chance I'm willing to take. GOBAMA!
And I would embrace your words, even if you were a cross dressing lesbian democrat... :P LOL..

Megan@SortaCrunchy said...

Wow. YES! I'm no pastor's wife, but I'm an (Oklahoma) Southern Baptist from birth and I can totally, completely relate to everything you said. Thank you for putting words to what I've been too scared to say.

Anonymous said...

that was a wonderful post. following convictions isn't easy when they lead away from the majority.. what a comfort that Jesus's arms are always welcoming and he whispers to us, not about our voting or about our political stance, but about how much he loves us and that our desire to do what pleases Him is a fragrant aroma to Him!

btw, thanks for continuing to pray -- things are SO MUCH BETTER. almost 180. i finished that book "intimate issues" in two weeks, and have just been trying to let go of my expectations and my feelings of urgency about laundry, dishes, and whatnot, which were the big show stoppers. (whaaaa? dishes over making LOVE with my HUSBAND??) needless to say, things have gotten much more EXCITING now.. ;) THANK YOU for praying!!


happygeek said...

Spritibee, what you talkin about?
I am a Canadian, born and raised, and lived in Texas for two years.
Seen and lived both systems.
No Doc here goes hungry, that is for certain. There kids still go to college, in fact most of us can afford to, they are subsidized as well.
The wait is longer than y'all have, but it is prioritized and all the care I and my developmentally delayed kids have received has been exceptional.
Yes, people have died waiting for care. Just like many people have died in the US because they could not afford care.
There is no insurance company telling me I have hit my limit.
It is not perfect but it is a system I will ALWAYS defend. AND the father of it, a Christian who believed in social justice.
Sorry to Hi-jack your comments Christine, I just hate to see the system run down by those who have no real knowledge of it.

Anonymous said...

First... Christine, I apologise for having hijacked your comments section with my comment. A few hours after I posted my first one, I kind of kicked myself a little for getting carried away like that. I apologise if it was inappropriate.

Second... I'll just take a moment to explain to Sprittibee that I actually have first-hand experience of both a universal (and, for that matter, socialised) healthcare system, having lived in the UK for the past 15 years, and of the US system. In my experience of the two, both are flawed, both sometimes involve delays (I had to wait longer in the US for some things than I did in the US), and in one country my daughter was denied care for necessary treatment... a-a-and that country would be the US. When I compare my experience of both countries' systems, I can honestly say I prefer universal care, flaws and all.

Carrien said...

I've never been here before. I really love this post, even though we would probably find ourselves at odds in some political opinions.

I've been privileged this election to have loving and intelligent conversation with my brothers and sisters on both sides about the issues surrounding this election. And while we may not agree on our politics, we all agree that the single greatest issue is how best to love our neighbor. (I stole that phrase from my friend because I loved it so much.)

I'm aware that there are large segments of the church where such discussion would be near impossible.

Anyway, I'll probably come back to see what else comes out of your brain.

ps. I have a nose ring too. And I'm married to a PK.

Joanna said...

Hi, I'm here via a BlogHer link, and I just want to say THANK YOU.

I'm a girl who, too, grew up Southern Baptist and then fell in love with Jesus and his words about serving the poor as an adult, and came to the same conclusion about abortion that you describe. In conversations during this election, hurtful words have been said to me by friends when I try to describe my logic. Just glad to know I'm not alone, and not crazy :)

Anonymous said...

I haven't read all the comments, but I just wanted to say that this speaks volumes to Christians in all denominations. Thank you for sharing.

MommaJen said...

beautifully written. I may even out myself! Lance and I both voted for Obama and it is not a popular decision here in Aggieland at all!
I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to send your link to a local blogger here with COMPLETE opposite view from you.

Take a look at her blog

I'm mostly disagree with what she writes, but am trying to be open-minded!

familygregg said...

You are still fun, transparent and authentic....even though you are now officially INSANE in my book!

I have been waffling on the insanity question since the no toilet paper I'm convinced.

Christine said...

Hi, I am Christine too. We have adopted 5 children---2 from disruption too. Nice to meet you. This is well written howver, I voted for McCain. My huge issue is abortion and while I agree with what you wrote and how little change will come by just reversing Roe vs. Wade I saw a speech where Obama himself said that if his girls made a mistake he would not want them to be punished with a baby. To me, that is more than him leaving options open for those women who feel that they have no other options----- it sounds like he wants to make sure he leaves the option open for his own girls. I will never vote for someone who feels that killing a life is justified because a pregnancy is punishment if the girl is young and unmarried.

Christine said...

Christine, this is where my heart has completely changed over the last several years. I had to grapple with God and say, "What do I do? Do I vote on principle, making the legality of abortion the only issue? Or do I vote, knowing that I disagree with a candidate's viewpoint, but knowing that in practice I am giving life, and I'm giving it right now?"

You see ... I'm all about life.

Part of my voting decision this year came from no longer wanting the blood of wanted children on my hands ... while sitting around waiting on some law to pass ... a law that would not give a flying flip about the "why" of abortion and the individuals that have them.

Babies will always be aborted. That has been happening since the beginning of time. People - loving people - disagree on whether or not a life that is not viable outside of the womb should come first in the decision process. That won't change. Poverty won't change.

I think some of you are looking for answers, and think that I may believe that Obama can create some sort of utopia for everyone. I think that, for some things, there are no solutions. I'm not looking for an answer. I'm looking to share. And if my family has to suffer for it ... then we'll suffer. If my family has to wait for a doctor, then we'll wait (because it means everyone has a fair shot at seeing a doctor). If my family has to work harder, and plan better and sacrifice more ... we'll do it. For us, that is why we are here.

My family's dream for America includes every single solitary person, born or waiting to be born. It's complicated. It's messy. It will never, ever be perfect. In fact, it will be hard. It may be really, really hard. I realize that many of you don't agree with that. I wouldn't expect you to. We have different definitions of the American dream.

Anonymous said...

Just seeing your blog for the first time (I linked it from a comment you made on The Mouro Family). Just wanted to add to the "love it!" comments. :-) This post is fab. I'm telling others to check it out.

Christine said...

Thanks for posting back. Your comment about Obama being able to create some utopia scares the be-jeebers out of me. He is not God, nor will there be utopia on this earth until Christ comes again.
We can agree to disagree.......... still I appreciate your post. BTW, it may have been a huge margin in the electoral college but the popular vote didn't have that big of a spread.

Rachel said...

what a fabulous post. thank you so much for writing that so eloquently. I, too, am a Christian, and could not see any other way to vote - I vote for the candidate with the platform that most celebrates life from conception to natural death, NOT conception to birth. I realize Obama is not going to create utopia, but I cannot wait to see how this country will change anyway.

Thanks, again. Jenabroad pointed me to your link from your comment on the Mouro family.

Arby said...

It never ceases to amaze me how God talks to so many Christians and leads them in ways that completely conflict with one another. He tells some people to vote Democratic and some people to vote Republican and each one knows for certain that their choice is a direct reflection of God’s will expressed to them. His ways are truly amazing and a complete mystery to me. I can only wonder if God wants the United States to be a political scrambled egg. We are the 21st century’s Tower of Babel.

We live in a nation where we have the freedom of speech and the right to vote in elections to choose our citizen legislators, without reprisal. Forgive me if I am not impressed by your dramatic stand in voting for President-elect Obama, because 122,145,887 citizens voted without reprisal (except for those voters intimidated by Black Panthers with night sticks outside Philadelphia polling places -, and of those 122,145,887 voters, the majority of them voted for Obama. Your vote really wasn’t a profile in courage, regardless of how red your state map appears.

What stands out in your very honest and passionate blog entry is the complete lack of a factual look at a nation trillions of dollars in debt with no plan for eliminating debt but many promises of higher taxes and higher spending. As a nation we have to borrow money every day to keep operating. This isn’t Republican or Democrat, or upper class or lower class – it’s American debt and economics and we can’t spend our way out of this problem. Financially, the US is sinking fast, and President –elect Obama appears to have no ideas about how to stop the descent.

We have a nation headed for universal health care under President-elect Obama even though universal healthcare has many problems, the least of which is the growing trend in nations such as England of rationing health care and choosing who gets treated and who does not based on issues such as weight and smoking status. At least in the US, fat smokers can get health care. Canada has situations where people like Pastor Lehotsky die of their disease before they can get an appointment to diagnose the condition (he went to the Mayo in the US for a diagnosis, and died months before his Canadian appointment for initial consultation). And we can afford universal health care, how?

Lastly, when a baby is aborted a life is killed. Square that with the commandment, “Thou shalt not murder.” I fail to see the gray in that issue. Every time there is an abortion a baby dies. It’s pretty black and white to me. I do not know what God is telling you about abortion, but He obviously isn’t telling me the same things.

You have written an honest statement and I respect your right to say what you have said. I am happy to see that you voted. I hope that you live happily with the results of your choice.

Christine said...

Arby----- well written! Thanks! If I post in the future, can I add your comment here?

Christine said...

Christine, I'm pretty sure that you did not read my reply correctly (in reference to "utopia"). You might want to give that another gander.

Arby, you might understand me better by reading my reply to Christine above (confusing, I know - two Christine's! ha!). I'm not looking for things to be perfect, or even great all the time. I'm looking for things to equal.

That would also help you see that I believe babies die with every abortion, and I am doing what I feel will keep more children alive ... but not just alive, but with their mothers. For me, there is no gray area on when life occurs. I lost a child when it had been growing just six weeks in my womb. I moarn that child ... my child that I never held ... a child that I truly believe that I will see again one day.

Again, I'm all about life.

Recovering Noah said...

Arby, please, please tell me that you are against the death penalty and against the war in Iraq.

As you said, there is no gray in, "Thou shalt not murder."

beth said...

Me, too. That's all I've got to say.

I heart you, Baptist preacher's wife.

Amy @ Experience Imagination said...


Amy @ Experience Imagination said...

Gee, maybe I should finish that comment :P

I first read your post the other day. I thought you made a good point, then, but didn't realize just how good your post was until today. I read three different posts today talking about the election and suggesting--if not outright saying--that anyone who voted for Obama and claimed to be a Christian was a moron and completely self-deluded about their salvation.

Your post stands out as a beacon of thoughtful, loving dialog. Thank you for continuing to share your heart and your mind with us. I am, again, inspired to take another look at my own life and see where God might have me making some more sacrifices to bless the lives of others.

Anonymous said...

Just a passer-by here... one who is genuinely baffled at some of the thoughts expressed here.
I hope nothing I write comes across as hateful but I must address how inconsistent it is for you to say you are "all about life" yet vote for a man who, regardless of how reasonable he may sound, has made no effort to reduce the number of abortions and quite to the contrary, Obama defended the most brutal of all types of abortions, partial-birth.
Abortion is one area Obama does not wish to change! He had an opportunity to make a small change in abortion laws in his state and because he was concerned that banning partial birth abortions might weaken the standing of Roe vs. Wade, he passed. So, just for the sake of keeping it real, you Obama supporters helped allow the murder of millions of babies a year to continue. I don't think saying that is hateful, it's truthful.
You mention the passing of a law that disregards the "why" of abortion and the "individual" who chooses the have one. Well, let's talk about them for a second. Why do people choose to have an abortion? I know my young cousin chose to have one because she and her husband believed they couldn't afford another child- and it wasn't a healthcare issue. They are on Medicare, so medical costs would have been covered. I know she was duped into thinking it would feel just like period cramps when in reality she said it was much more painful and I know she wasn't told that she should be prepared to see her aborted baby's little body which was developed enough for my cousin to tell it was a little girl. (By the way it came out in the shower and clogged the drain.) My sweet cousin wasn't prepared for the emotional toll either, such as the breakdown into tears and the guilt-ridden confession when she first visited me with my newborn baby who would have been a few weeks younger than her baby. There are millions and millions of abortion stories- "individuals" with their own "whys". Some aren't as horrible as my cousins, some are worse. None are good. Abortions may be chosen due to fear, shame, inconvenience, etc... but I daresay, many if not most would not happen if abortion were illegal.
Have we heard the arguments so often that we are no longer touched by the very real horror of abortion? Is is just another philosophical/ political issue to be discussed on blogs and message boards but we really can't do anything about? My answer is a strong "No!" We can all do something about this national tragedy that hurts many and helps nobody, every time we vote.
You are right that abortion is not the only issue but it is a starting point to determining a person's true character. If a person doesn't value the lives, the bodies and souls of these helpless little ones enough to even vote against partial birth abortion, chances are great that I'm not gonna agree with this person on much else. With Obama, that has proven true.

Christine said...

purebillow, I realize you're just passing by, and I appreciate you taking time to chime in.

I'm not sure where you have done your research. Obama does not support partial-birth abortion.

“I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.” (Relevant Magazine, July 1, 2008)

He also said in Pantagraph, in March of 1997 that he has supported legislation which bans partial birth abortion as long is there is an exception for the health of the mother.

I would also strongly encourage you to read the new study done by the Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, titled "Reducing Abortion in America: The Effect of Economic and Social Supports." I encourage all of you to read that study.

Missy said...

from this baptist preacher's wife in OKC feeling a bit suffocated by all this 'red', a sincere THANK YOU for your post. it makes me sad to see how political elections have become a litmus test for christianity. you have so eloquently told so many of 'our' stories.....

XEW Music said...

found your link at sojourner's...awesome post! i think its becoming more and more common unfortunately, to hear stories of people who were close and because of this election & choices, have parted ways...
i myself have had to put some distance between myself and some family because i was being demonized for my support of obama...even taking it so far as to send me emails insinuating that i was supporting the anti-christ :O

i was "outed" to said family because of those silly email forwards, i made the mistake of responding with a snopes link that lead to more discussion that wasnt so nice on from their end :( so i took to my blog and began to set out my thoughts on politics and faith in the form of essays so there would never again be any confusion as to my opinions and beliefs (im always slapped with the abortion argument) i found sorjourners and it gave me what i needed to FINALLY put it into words..

but as much as this stinks to loose people you love, i appreciate knowing what is really in someones heart before i ever wrap myself up in something with them only to find this out later...

thank you for your honesty and speaking up...we all need to do this much more...and of course then take action!


Shara said...

From a Preacher's Wife, a native Okie, living in Red Kansas, thank you. You just wrote my story. :0) I still haven't told anyone that I voted for Obama (i'm not as brave as you), but I won't lie if someone should ask me.

I don't begin to understand how God can speak to all people and then they vote differently, but he does. I was moved by the book of James. It's the book where God spoke to me.

Thank you, Christine!

Joni said...

I'm also a 'passerby' - interesting discussion going on here!!

On the topic of healthcare: my husband is from Finland, and I have also lived a couple times. In some aspects the universal healthcare system works, and in some ways it stinks. I guess you could say that about our system, too - but we much prefer the system here in the USA. With the universal system (at least in Finland), you use what doctor is assigned for your area. No choices. No choosing clinics. No deciding which pediatrician or ob doc you feel comfortable with - you take the ONE who is assigned to your area. Have gallbladder issues? Once they determine you need to have it removed (gallbladder) you are automatically on a 6 month waiting list for surgery. Can that be moved up? Well, if you're 'in so much pain you just can't live with it' contact us and we'll see what we can do. I had many discussions while living there that it's easy from there to look at our system and think 'you'll die on the street corner if you are sick and don't have health insurance' - and that's not true. And we see their (universal) system and think 'you could die waiting in line for a surgery', and that's not true. Do you know what was the Finnish person's response every time I mentioned this? 'Well, you actually might die waiting in line to be cared for.' One of our children was born there, and I was happy with the care - we've also had 6 children born here and have been very happy with the care. I also know a lady (Canadian) who is married to a Finnish man who won the 'green card lottery' and moved to Arizona. At the time when he won the g.c. lottery his wife was in Finland 'waiting' on huge amounts of steriods to be take care of for a disease (can't remember the name, but similar to leukemia but not cancerous.) She decided to get an opinion from doc's in Az while visiting there, and guess what? They immediately started to treat her and cured her disease. She (a Canadian) was on a trip from Finland to check out Az because of the green card lottery, and they immediately started a long, expensive treatment for her. Our system doesn't work? She proceeded to attend school and became a physician's assistant and is living a very full life with her family. In Finland they really didn't know when her treatment would have started.

On the other hand, for 'general' issues (my baby born in Finland had 'baby asthma' issues), we were taken care of very well.

So what have we experienced in Finland as far as 'spreading the wealth'? In general, the people love looking for 'handouts' - there's a certain amount of money the government gives every month for each child in the family (equals about the same in the end as the tax credit per child here); if a mom stays home with kids in their preschool years, she receives a certain amount of money (not much.) But how does it work? The government takes their money in taxes and then gives it back as they decide fit. There are few people there who we know who work more than their 40 hours/week. It doesn't pay to work more, because the taxes are then way too much.

Here's an example of how great the system is: on guy was once bragging - his neighbor's family has x-number of children and the father has been unemployed for a couple years. The government takes care of him and his family. Of course they're not getting rich this way, but because he was laid off the govt. gives him xx money, his wife gets xx for staying home, they get xx for each child. So I asked the proud neighbor (who was telling me this) does he realize that as he is one of few who works a second job, HE is paying more than 50% of those wages in taxes so his neighbor can stay home? And what does this teach their children? That the government will take care of them!! I guess I'm different than the majority these days, but I don't want the government so involved. It doesn't work to make things 'fair' between people. There should be some incentive to work hard. There should not be much incentive to wait for the government to 'take care of us.'

Should I start on the abortion issue? I won't say much - but when people say 'what if someone happens to get pregnant?' Huh? Happens to get pregnant? Like they might just catch it from a public restroom toilet seat? I'm from a people who do believe sex before marriage is right, and once we get married we know it's very possible God may give us a family. So we prepare for that. I know for a fact that before that, I would not 'happen' to get pregnant. Is it easy to abstain? Not by any means. But I know it's possible!

I guess Obama didn't always give the same impression as far as partial-birth abortion. Though he may have said he doesn't support that, what does his track record say? But I'll say that as he has been elected president, I will respect him and pray that God will not allow him to make too extreme changes in our beloved America!

Christine said...

For a much broader exploration of five different capitalist democracies, watch "Sick Around the World":

For more information on the realities of poverty (emphasis on 'realities'):
"Irresistible Revolution"
"Discipleship Journal" (online, search the archives for "Poverty" - many good resources)

Gioietta said...

I know how you feel, and I am not even a minister's wife! It is hard, I feel like I can't be completely honest and myself, so I just keep quiet most times when around my brothers and sisters, my extended family. It was hard to have so few to celebrate on Tuesday night, but I am so thankful that fear didn't win this election, but, can we say, hope and belief in our own ability to create a better life for ourselves AND others has won.

Gioietta said...

About universal health care. No it isn't perfect, but I grew up with it and as far as I can tell, never bothered anyone. In fact many missionaries are blessed they can have it in the foreign countries they live in. I don't really remember 'waiting' much much longer than I have hear with insurance. And the point is this, no matter who you are, what you do, how much money or not you have, if you are born with a pre-existing condition, you will be seen and you don't have to be billed huge amount of money for a visit, that if you can't pay, than goes to the the hospitial insurace, that translates into everyone else's insurance premiums that go higher. I see health care as a BASIC need for everyone, just like education. Now if Christians will get together and pay for everyone's needs that is great, as well as providing education for all who need it. But will we bear that load willingly?
(PS my dh is a student, and I am on 'goverment' health care b/c we are expecting and very grateful. We wouldn't have had the money and never heard of anyone going up to the church with this need. Why?)

Joni said...

Okay, I'm back here again! As for waiting in lines - for most general health issues, no you won't wait longer than here. But I know people, from living with that system, who HAVE waited. Example: a good friend's mother had serious heart issues - serious enough that it slowed her day-to-day life for seven years. She was waiting to have the heart surgery. Finally it became an emergency and they did the surgery, but for a short time before they went ahead with the surgery, they debated if she was by then too old (68 years old, I believe, at the time) and too sick to go ahead. I'm not suggesting by any means that our system is perfect. It's far from it. But do you know the biggest reason why our insurance costs are so high? Lawyers. They are more than ready to guide anyone with any small issue through the legal system to get money they 'deserve' (I'm not saying there's never a reason for lawsuit, but for sure there are many lawsuits that are ... greed.)

Do I believe in supporting charity? Absolutely. But not totally government controlled. As for m.a., w.i.c., medicaid, etc. They're wonderful programs. To help someone who really needs it. Hopefully they can eventually get on their feet again and not need the 'system', and of course some can't. That's okay. But let me assure you that the socialized system does breed ... some laziness ... people depending on the government to take care of them. It's great when the government can help. But I believe we're a stronger people when we truly have reason to try first to help ourselves. My hubby and I have each started a small business from the ground. Not easy, but it's a great feeling to support ourselves! I know we've been blessed in that way that we can live off our business' earnings. Will our incentive to work so hard change if we get to a certain level of income and after that we're providing someone else bread for their table while they sit at home? (Trust me, there ARE those who believe Obama is going to provide them with that!) You'd better believe it would change my incentive! Not that I don't want to help those who really need - I've been in that spot, too. And have really appreciated that assistance. But as soon we could we were back on 'our own two feet.'

I guess all-in-all, we all hope for the same thing. We want to remain living in a free country - we're very lucky that we can freely express our thoughts; may God grant our great country this freedom for many generations to come!

Amanda said...

stir that pot Christine! haha... great post! I couldn't vote for Obama. check that, I wouldn't vote for Obama, but I'm not concerned that America is going to be completely changed in every way because of a new President that may or may not be able to accomplish all he said he would. when has a president ever been able to do that? People need to read into the actual powers of the President.

I'm proud of Obama and his family. I will never know what it means to black and see, literally see, someone that on the outside looks like me and that can happen. I'll be honest and say that I watched Oprah the other day (gasp! haha....) when Will Smith was on and listening to him talk about that moment brought tears to my eyes! I think we can all appreciate that this is a beautifully historic moment (uh oh... the historian is coming out in me) and that we can be proud of him and his family.

obviously this response has nothing to do with actual politics, but I just thought I would throw that out there.

have I told you that I loved you lately Christine? because I do :)

mvaughn said...

Still a little lost on looking for a candidate that more closely resembles your family and your convictions. You want to help people, and you make sacrifices to do so. The McCains are huge supporters of foreign aid and aid orgnaizations, having even adopted children from an orphanage that Cindy McCain did aid work at. When it comes to putting this to practice, look at the numbers (from public tax records):

Joe Bidens
Over a 10 year period he and his wife earned $2,450,042, and paid a total of $3,690 to charity. That's 0.0015%.

Senator Obama's charitable giving: 2000 - 1%
2001 - 0.5%
2002 - 0.4%
2003 - 1.4%
2004 - 1.2%
2005 - 4.7%
2006 - 6.1% (presidential campaign begins)

John McCain's charitable giving:
2006 - 18%
2007 - 26%

I just fear we have given a man that is arguably the best public speaker in politics, and one that holds some very dangerous views, the most powerful platform in the world from which to promote those views. What is unthinkable today, will be commonplace to the next generation that grows up hearing about abortion and other topics in such a profound and eloquent way.

Alright, enough of this. I am dedicating this weekend to putting the election behind me and moving forward. I love a good debate, but the time for this debate is in the past. Tomorrow's task, how to best support our next president while still opposing policies or initiatives that counter our faith. I know that is something we can be in complete agreement on.

familygregg said...

mvaughn: I think I like you ;)

BHG & Co. said...

Howdy... another passer by.

I found a link here from a friend's blog with a similiar discussion.

All in all, both dialogues are being conduted with a great amount of respect.

Let me begin by saying I appreciate your heart and honesty. I am sorry that some see things in blue and red and assume that God is a republican.

There is one thing I would ask you to consider. Your frustration over(and even judgment of) those who would act as if you have sinned by this vote is to a degree justified. And it is completely understandable.

However, I have found that those on both sides feel the same way. Your post assumes that if people stopped trusting what the majority says and would think for themselves then they too would agree with you. You also assume that no republican could possibly care about the poor.

Like many of us do - Lord, knows I have my issues, you have fallen into the same trap for which you chastize others.

I only mention this because I feel as though you would want to know. Your care and thoughtfulness indicate you would never want to knowingly communicate these thoughts and feelings.

Just something to think about.

Terroni said...

I'm still holding out for that post where you come out as a lesbian.


Super B's Mom said...

Great post.

Although I voted differently, I appreciate the point you made about voting with your heart. Like many other Christians, I felt torn when Nov. 4th arrived.

Now that our President-elect has been chosen, I feel that others look down upon me for supporting him, although I didn't vote for him. I don't feel comfortable with the stand he takes on the most urgent issues, but I realize that as the leader of our country, he now deserves my respect.

This year, I voted with my heart and not as a Republican. God bless you for this insightful post!

familygregg said...

bhg & co.
ditto to that
looooooooooooove christine

Kristen said...

I knew you would come out of the closet eventually. About Obama, I mean ;)

Christine said...

bhg & amp,

Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate you just taking the time in my neck of the woods.

I'm sad that you've made the inferences that you have. You see, I have yet to judge anyone on this planet. To judge means that you think yourself better. I'm not better than anyone - not a soul. In fact, that is exactly why I did not talk about my vote at all until after the election. When you elect one person to govern over a country the size of the US, well ... how can any of us find a candidate that is a perfect reflection of ourselves and our beliefs? It's not possible. Okay, maybe for a minority, but what I hear from many of us is that we had to really grapple.

I don't believe that Democrats have it all together (since you don't know me, you also don't know that I'm a registered Independent). I'm sorry that you take my humor as chastisement. It's my story. It's true, and it's raw. I did not think for myself for more than 30 years. That's my reality. I'm just confessing. Plenty of McCain voters think for themselves (Cammie, you still reading??).

No, I don't assume that anyone would vote the way I do if they just go against the flow. My friends that run a homeless shelter voted for McCain. We agree on many, many issues. Yet, the issues that are the most important to me are what led me to my vote. The issues that are most important to them, are what led them to their vote. Believers on both sides value what God values. Their priorities are God's priorities.

My point is that some of us are very conservative theologically - and voted for Obama. There wasn't a candidate that represented our Christ beautifully, nor - do I think - will there ever be.

I don't think those that voted for McCain sinned. I hesitated to ever share the things God and I have been discussing, because how do you do that and not come off as holier-than-thou? I guess, though, I felt it was important for those who gasp at a Democratic vote this time around. There is an enemy in our midst and he is delighted that Christ followers have drawn a line in the sand with one another.

This was for those who say they "just don't get it." They honestly believe that I have been duped, or for some reason, God has blinded my eyes for a time and a purpose ... or I'm a communist.

Nope. None of those.

I'm a lesbian. (happy, terroni?)

BHG & Co. said...

Thanks for clarification. I never questioned your heart, just thought I would share a perspective on how that heart was communicated. I hope you could discern my intention (my last one or two paragraphs tried to make it clear).

Sometimes we don't see in ourselves those things that unwittingly trip us up. My comment was only meant to draw attention to a possibility of inconsistency.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

familygregg said...

bhg &co.

ditto to that. communicated. and we all have trouble w/that....especially when conversations aren't happening on a cozy couch... face to face...where it's easier to hear hearts.

loooooooove christine.

a Tonggu Momma said...

This evangelical Christian, registered independent, who never before voted for a Democrat, this year voted for Obama. You are not alone. And I do not feel that we sinned.

Anonymous said...

Hey Christine..Thank you for the blog..although I am not a pastors must say that I totally agree with your views...glad that you had the conviction to post them!

mvaughn said...

Looks like change may be swift, Obama's transition team is listing out executive orders he is currently considering, to enact change without having to wait for congress. On the short list of top considerations, lifting the ban on using foreign aid money to fund abortions overseas.

mvaughn said...

Sorry, hit send too quick on that last post. It was not meant to be a statement, but a call for action. Let your congressmen and local DNC offices know that this is not a good move, and not the change that so many to crossed party lines in support of. If anyone is still manning the Obama campaign sites, go there too.

Fun with the VanVeelens said...

Hmmmm as a Christian and a Republican, I must say I would MUCH rather give to missions myself than to have the government take my money and decide what they want to do with it. Sorry, I don't really agree.

Anonymous said...

I just read John Stossel's book "Give me a Break." Though he and I differ a great deal on moral issues, he has a lot to say about helping the poor. And it doesn't have to do with a welfare state. Good read - I highly recommend.

As far as Obama being a Christian, so is McCain, or claims to be. I certainly can't judge either heart. But Obama's clear misunderstanding of scripture (comparing OT liturgical and judicial law to God's timeless moral law) and his condescension to people of faith who "cling to guns and religion" indicate that he is, at best, an immature Christian.

Not that his religion matters much for office. What matters is his record. He has shown, and has promised, to appoint liberal activist judges. They will re-write the constitution, over time. It may be a generation before we see the full effect of this election.

And to the gentleman who suggested poor women are forced into abortion because of finances, and the woman who is afraid poor babies will be born and abused, they is lapping up the pro-aborts' favorite punchlines. Those babies can be adopted. Two million requests for adoption go unanswered every single year in the U.S. People who justify a pro-abortion vote always ignore the adoption option.

Obama has promised to sign FOCA. He promised this. FOCA will force faith-based hospitals to perform abortions, and will fund abortions with taxpayer money, and will erase every parental notification and informed consent law in every state in the union. If enslaving the masses in a welfare state is more important to you all than keeping a doctor from impaling a baby in the head, then I guess you made the right choice.

Dana said...

Once there was a Church of Christ pastor's wife that cried as she sat reading a blog post about a Baptist pastor's wife that voted for Obama. Everything written by the Baptist pastor's wife looked oddly familiar. In determining her choice candidate for her vote, the cofc girl read everything she could get her hands on: The constitution, the health care plan, the tax rates during the previous administrations. She felt the need to be fully informed if she was going to vote differently than she had in the past and against so many people that she loved. She felt totally confident in the choice she had made and the vote that she made. But still, reading the Baptist pastor's post made her wonder if it wasn't the reason that she given herself, respect, that made her keep quiet about her voting but rather fear. The CofC Pastor's wife looked to the Baptist Pastor's wife with admiration and gratitude with hopes that she would one day have the same kind of courage.