Is "do unto others" really the core of christianity? If it is, the video is right: all the world's major religions can be simplified to the golden rule. And we don't need an executed Christ.
From Wikipedia: [Karen] asserts that "All the great traditions are saying the same thing in much the same way, despite their surface differences." They each have in common, she says, an emphasis upon the overriding importance of compassion, as expressed by way of the Golden Rule: Do not do to others what you would not have done to you.
That really defines what Karen Armstrong believes. Does everyone here agree with her?
I think, perhaps, you are immediately assuming this means it is not okay to say you believe Christ is THE way, THE truth and THE life. Or that this is some slippery slope toward watering down our Gospel and the words of our Christ. Or that it is somehow going to stop us from practicing "iron sharpens iron."
That's where I think you can miss the point. Unless you follow Christ in a way that is "militant" or expresses "rage," this is not talking about you.
Unfortunately, we do have those who murder and harm in the name of Christ ... it happens in all major religions. It happened somewhere just this morning.
I believe in God, and I believe God exists in all good. He's my God, and I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think he has the market on compassion and love and strength. So, yeah, sure I'm going to claim the pure and good and right, in His name. That's my faith. I can. I can think it in my sleep, if I want. It rocks being an American. :)
And this goes farther. I want my nation to reflect my Christ. How are we being His hands and feet to the world, to other nations? How are we encouraging other nations to do the same?
AND, can we stand hand in hand with others who may not even believe in a Creator, and join them in all the good that we absolutely believe is based in the God we serve?
I absolutely, positively think He is okay with that. In fact, I think He is delighted in it.
the way i understand it, the charter is not a call to abandon the tenets specific to any faith in favor of the golden rule as god, but to remember that each faith, at its core, calls its practitioners to follow the golden rule.
faith-based violence cannot happen when that truth is remembered.
Christine, I just stumbled on your blog recently, but I already respect you as a believer and as an adopter of hurt children. Also, this is your blog and your platform to magnify Jesus, not mine, so this will be my final word on the matter.
If this charter simply a statement to "show compassion", how could anybody oppose it? You'd sound crazy to oppose anything so pure and good-natured. It would also be a huge waste of time to even create such a charter because 99.999% percent of people in the world would already agree with you on a confessional level. Ironically, this charter is based on a dogma that it cannot be separated from: "All systems of belief say essentially the same thing and strive for the same goal, therefore, treat others as you would be treated." I believe promoting this charter promotes not only a call to show compassion, but to show compassion because the Gospel can be boiled down to the golden rule. Not only that, Karen would label you a fundamentalist because of your claim that Jesus is the truth -- she'd say that fundamentalist exclusive statements such as that are the root religious violence.
Christians need to show compassion because the Gospel is the opposite of the golden rule, in the same way the Gospel is opposite from the Law. If you want to promote compassion as a Christian, the best way to do it is to show how great and backwards the Gospel is. Don't do good to others because you want them to do good to you -- that is how the world operates. Do good to others because Jesus lived the life you should have lived, and died the death you should have died. That's what it means to show compassion in Jesus' name.
"Don't do good to others because you want them to do good to you."
The Golden Rule is Mathhew 7:12. We are to treat others as we would want to be treated. Has nothing to do with what they do to us in return.
I do not feel, in any way, that this Charter says my faith's main tenent is "The Golden Rule." It is simply the common ground they have found in all major world religions.
Which, ironically, is where you and I seem to find our own disagreement. :)
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where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
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Is "do unto others" really the core of christianity? If it is, the video is right: all the world's major religions can be simplified to the golden rule. And we don't need an executed Christ.
thanks for the reminder.
god bless karen armstrong.
From Wikipedia: [Karen] asserts that "All the great traditions are saying the same thing in much the same way, despite their surface differences." They each have in common, she says, an emphasis upon the overriding importance of compassion, as expressed by way of the Golden Rule: Do not do to others what you would not have done to you.
That really defines what Karen Armstrong believes. Does everyone here agree with her?
I absolutely agree with the goal of the Charter of Compassion. Has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with her theology.
I'm sure I do not.
Ed,
It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. I'm guessing you amd me are a bit similar.
Sounds nice...or dead wrong...dead dead wrong.
Dawn
I think, perhaps, you are immediately assuming this means it is not okay to say you believe Christ is THE way, THE truth and THE life. Or that this is some slippery slope toward watering down our Gospel and the words of our Christ. Or that it is somehow going to stop us from practicing "iron sharpens iron."
That's where I think you can miss the point. Unless you follow Christ in a way that is "militant" or expresses "rage," this is not talking about you.
Unfortunately, we do have those who murder and harm in the name of Christ ... it happens in all major religions. It happened somewhere just this morning.
I believe in God, and I believe God exists in all good. He's my God, and I know not everyone agrees with me, but I think he has the market on compassion and love and strength. So, yeah, sure I'm going to claim the pure and good and right, in His name. That's my faith. I can. I can think it in my sleep, if I want. It rocks being an American. :)
And this goes farther. I want my nation to reflect my Christ. How are we being His hands and feet to the world, to other nations? How are we encouraging other nations to do the same?
AND, can we stand hand in hand with others who may not even believe in a Creator, and join them in all the good that we absolutely believe is based in the God we serve?
I absolutely, positively think He is okay with that. In fact, I think He is delighted in it.
well said, christine. well said indeed.
the way i understand it, the charter is not a call to abandon the tenets specific to any faith in favor of the golden rule as god, but to remember that each faith, at its core, calls its practitioners to follow the golden rule.
faith-based violence cannot happen when that truth is remembered.
Amen. thank you Christine
Christine, I just stumbled on your blog recently, but I already respect you as a believer and as an adopter of hurt children. Also, this is your blog and your platform to magnify Jesus, not mine, so this will be my final word on the matter.
If this charter simply a statement to "show compassion", how could anybody oppose it? You'd sound crazy to oppose anything so pure and good-natured. It would also be a huge waste of time to even create such a charter because 99.999% percent of people in the world would already agree with you on a confessional level. Ironically, this charter is based on a dogma that it cannot be separated from: "All systems of belief say essentially the same thing and strive for the same goal, therefore, treat others as you would be treated." I believe promoting this charter promotes not only a call to show compassion, but to show compassion because the Gospel can be boiled down to the golden rule. Not only that, Karen would label you a fundamentalist because of your claim that Jesus is the truth -- she'd say that fundamentalist exclusive statements such as that are the root religious violence.
Christians need to show compassion because the Gospel is the opposite of the golden rule, in the same way the Gospel is opposite from the Law. If you want to promote compassion as a Christian, the best way to do it is to show how great and backwards the Gospel is. Don't do good to others because you want them to do good to you -- that is how the world operates. Do good to others because Jesus lived the life you should have lived, and died the death you should have died. That's what it means to show compassion in Jesus' name.
"Don't do good to others because you want them to do good to you."
The Golden Rule is Mathhew 7:12. We are to treat others as we would want to be treated. Has nothing to do with what they do to us in return.
I do not feel, in any way, that this Charter says my faith's main tenent is "The Golden Rule." It is simply the common ground they have found in all major world religions.
Which, ironically, is where you and I seem to find our own disagreement. :)
Thank you for your comments. They are always, most certainly, welcome. If only people who completely agreed with me on everything, read and commented on my blog ... well, my readership would be in the negative numbers, if that's even possible. heh. heh.
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