Maybe this will sound weird. In fact, I know it will, BUT ... it seemed easier when Mar was on the far end of RAD. I've had to balance Rocky all along, and figure out how to move forward since he was already ... well, MOVING FORWARD. When they are just radically unattached, the "what" is pretty easy. It is hard and painful, but you don't have to spend anytime wondering, "Hmmm, was that genuine?" Because it absolutely, positive was not.
If nothing else, that part is easy.
Yet now, my Mar is attaching. She is feeling. She is reasoning more and more. She has glimmers of cause and effect thinking. When she regresses, she doesn't immediately return to a 4-year-old emotional level. Sometimes she actually stays somewhere on the same planet as a 10-year-old emotional level. So, I'm juggling my thinking and approaches much more.
Not so much for that being the easy part.
When reading Mar's origianl diagnoses from the therapist she saw before we were even on her radar, I kinda' chuckled. RAD and ODD. Once she came home to us, I laughed out loud. I kept thinking, "Is it even POSSIBLE to have RAD and not have almost every. single. symptom. of ODD??" heh. heh. Yet, now, it's not quite so clear.
The one "biggie" which still manifests itself in her life is self-importance, also known as a sense of entitlement, or what some like to call narcissism ... there is also the Facebook comment from my friend, Scott - "Pathological Narcissistic Disorder or garden variety selfish turd?"
Rocky still battles this one some, but you can't even consider it a "thing" compared to how engulfing it is with Mar. It eats her alive. I have been trying to dissect the true feeling behind it. Sometimes it is because she believes she should not have to follow any rule or honor any authority, ya' know, because her life has sucked. Other times it is about power and control, and the insane lack of those things she has ever had over her life. Throw in a dash of puberty and a slice of "I just don't LIKE doing that," and you find yourself scratching your head, trying to get to the root of it.
That's where we find her suffocating less and less from Reactive Attachment Disorder and clinging more and more to the Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Call it all what you will. What it breaks down to is this: she really, really, really does not want to do some things and really, really, really hates the feelings associated with those things, and she is not convinced her family is worth doing them despite the feelings.
I spent last night learning more about narcissism. I also read about some opposing approaches to cognitive behavior therapy. There are some professionals who have backed away from the typical replacing hurting thoughts with healing thoughts, and instead having their patients embrace the negative thoughts and move through them (that is a VERY abbreviated and VERY-probably screwed-up description). Fell asleep looking through everything.
This morning Mar comes bouncing out of her room. She had gone on restriction the night before. We have had lots and lots and lots of restriction, so she knows exactly what is and is not okay. She was to wait for me to come to her. It was her way of saying, "Yeah, so you spent twenty minutes with me at bedtime and we connected and all that, and I want to see if you'll just be happy with said connection and blow off this whole restriction thing." Sent her back to her room. As I was fixing breakfast, a thought hit me.
Called her into the kitchen. "Ya' know, Mar, you are not, ever, just going to wake up one day and WANT to be a family girl. When it happens it will be very slow, just like every other change you have made. You won't just walk in one morning and want to honor me. It's not a light switch. So, in the meantime, just be selfish."
Very funny look on her face.
"Do just enough to stay off restriction. Anytime you think you might possibly be pleasing me, look me straight in the eyes and remind me - 'I'm not doing this for you - I'm just doing it to get what I want.' Only do what you have to do to get what you want. Be selfish, selfish, selfish. And if you want an hour on restriction, then you know exactly how to make that happen."
And she did it.
About every 15 minutes, I would say, "Tell me, Mar!" and she couldn't keep a straight face saying, "I'm not doing this for you - you're not worth it anyway!" Lots of giggling.
Go figure.
So it went all day. She was able to play to her heart's content all afternoon. She did clog the toilet (that's an old trick of her brother's and she never has paid attention to how we handle that ... poor thing). "Well, honey, when you clog up the toilet, you get two plastic bags." *quizzical look on her face* "Use one as a glove, so you can reach down in there and break up the poo and the toilet paper. Then, you can take it off and put it in the other bag."
Let's just say I don't expect her to EVER do the toilet clogging thing again. It also nipped it in the bud for Rocky months ago. For some reason, it loses it's flare when you have to literally clean up your own crap.
There you have my very random backward thinking on the narcissism. I did say, "I don't ever want to ask you to lie. So, if you have no desire to honor me and are just doing it to be selfish, then by all means - say so!"
Yet, she said it all day behind smiles and laughter, and at noon told me - in a whisper - that she really did do it for me, too.
*insert screeching tire sound here*
Just so you don't think we had a GREAT day, Rocky had a major blow-up. Gave him the opportunity to own up to something he did several days ago. He knew there would be a consequence, but didn't bother to think just how many MORE consequences there would be if he started huffing and puffing and yelling and threatening and saying gosh-darn ugly things about his mother.
He has a lot of kindness to pour back into me now. I will have some very clean floors this week. Am typing this from Jason's Deli, because my husband let me run away. A woman deserves such love after hearing her child scream across the RV park that he would rather live with his abuser than with me.
Lovely.
I can TOTALLY see through that and I know it was just said to hurt me (which it didn't, because it's ludicrous), but it does get old after the first 200-300 times you hear it.
Thought you'd all like to know, I didn't get off easy today! :)
P.S. - I welcome any and all thoughts/therapies/approaches/ideas/magic potions for dealing with the enflated sense of entitlement. This one will be one of the last to go, and it will not go quietly ...
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Enflated sense of entitlement - Hmmmm, I have sat and pondered how to rid my house of the VERY same mind-crushing dilemma. I'd like to rid the world, but would be satisfied with ridding it within the confines of my house. I'm at a loss. I tried the stuff listed at the below link, and it didn't work.
http://sanitysrchr-shortbus.blogspot.com/2009/10/magic-fairy-dust.html
I, too, am very interested to hear everyone else's comments for what works for them.
PS - I like Scott's FB comment. Good stuff!
I'm feeling your struggle. Now remember we've have our kids for almost 10 years, and sometimes I think I'm still clueless. Martin is my oppositional, always arguing, gotta have the last word, not gonna do it unless it's my idea kid. Is he capable of being compliant? Absolutely. Is it just a bad habit or truly the only way he feels good? I don't know, may never know. Are they difficult to love? Oh, yeah. I've started having him say to me, Mom, I don't trust you. Because I believe that is at the core of his beliefs. I wish I had a magic potion, but I believe God is the great Healer, if and when Martin decides to choose that. It's all about choices, isn't it?
So, I have a load of questions... If you are willing.
There have been many opinions about whether Little Miss Sunshine (4 - we're her 6th~and plan on being her final~ family) is a RADish or not, though some days, it's undeniable, others... well, we're left wondering if we've been duped or not.
So, how does one know? And what on earth do you do with a four year old, who is acting like a three year old emotionally but has the manipulative skills of a ten (or fifteen) year old...
And how do you handle the whole "good things happen when we make good choices"... yet, you've lost all candy until after Christmas because you ate your entire advent Calendar that grandma sent you when you got up "to go pee" in the middle of the night", but you made a really good choice in reminding me that you aren't supposed to eat the candy in your lunchable, so the parents feel like you should get a reward and said candy seems like the perfect reward type of thing?
AND HOW do you know if said four year old is attaching????
To the last poster, I'm not up on RAD stuff much, but the pointing out the bad candy thing seems manipulative to me. I would find a completely different reward not even food related. Otherwise that's just a trick to get herself the candy she's been restricted from. She can probably turn that on and off, no problem.
Yes? No?
Blessings,
Sandwich
T and M, first, it is very common to doubt the diagnosis. Mainly because some days they do completely choose to turn some of it off. It's a part of the whack-a-mole we are required to do to stay ahead of the manipulation. "So, the crazy stuff didn't work? What about if I try to be amazingly good. Then maybe I can get away with more."
You are not going to ever hurt anything to parent therapeutically in a way which promotes attachment and being a "family kid." So, go with it!!
You don't know if they're attaching for quite awhile. And personally, I doubted it much more at first until it was much more obvious. You might start to notice eye contact being less difficult for them. My kids hugs actually started to feel different. The way they stroked the cat was different. But none of that just happened. It slowly got better, with lots and lots of bumps along the way.
I love the book "99 Ways to Drive Your Child Sane," because it really sparked my creative juices. I don't have the same rewards or the same consequences each and every time. I'm always switching things up. Otherwise, they can learn to manipulate and control even the consequences.
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Great post! Sadly, after 10 years of parenting my RADish, I have nothing to contribute - just more questions. I've been looking at ODD more closely lately too. My kiddo is reasonably attached, but oh so defiant. It's a rough road to travel. I look forward to following this post. Thanks as always. It's always good to read your musings.
I have absolutely not experience with RAD or other disorders. I don't remember how I found your blog, but I find it absolutely amazing and wonderful.
One question - and please I don't mean it to be disrespectful - in a previous post you mentioned a son sleeping in the laundry room for pee purposes. I was wondering if other people have ever suggested that some of your restrictions are abusive? I don't think they are, and in reading your posts it is so very obvious how much you love your children and what an immense work God is doing in their lives through your family. But I wondered if others have ever asked that and what your response is/would be?
Anyway, keep up the great blog and thank you for educating me!
I was looking forward to this post. Good one! I agree that healing RAD is somewhat trickier. I also think adolescence throws a whole wrench into the fire because that is a natural time of separating from parents. When they get those normal feelings of needing to separate from us I think it confuses them because of RAD. So I spend lot of time talking about how normal that is and that I to want them to be able to some day live on their own and that I am cheering for them. That it is completely different than loving someone. I still love my mom very much. I just don't need her to physically care for me any more. That whole conversation needs to happen often.
As for the entitlement.....that is tough stuff. I often use reverse psychology kind of like yours only more like "Oh you want to give me an opportunity to serve you. I'd love to because it gives me a chance to share my love and be more like Jesus." To which they often respond "Never mind. I'll get it." said very flatly or sometimes they then want to do something for me. Sometimes I just say "When you are a grown up you have to learn to do the things you don't like so you can enjoy the things you do. Deal with it." and then I go on. Drama is so unimpressive unless you are at the academy awards. Today Teddy said "When I turn 18 I will be out the door and you can kiss my butt good bye." I said "Drop em and bend over buddy." He of course was trying to impress me with his ability to be crude. I was doing the same.
Ok. Reading that last part over it sounds kind of gross. Mind you we were in the middle of a grocery store parking lot and Taz was standing there. He had been trying to shock me for about 20 min. Sometimes shocking them back is the only thing that puts an end to it.
kris,
I have never, not once, been asked or accused of such a thing. I'm guessing it is because I am in no way ever abusive to my children. They've certainly abused me on occasion, but I refuse to return the favor. :)
Well, since you asked for opinions...
I think most of the behavior goes back to trying to connect with a "person in charge". Forcing you to keep her in the front of your mind at all times. Even when she got up and bounced straight into your room, first thing in the morning she is forcing your attention onto her. There is no relevance to positive vs negative attention. It is just the one thing: a connection. Which, I think is about survival. If she can force your attention onto her she is less likely to go hungry, have unmet needs etc. Whether it shows up as narcissism, or opposition or defiance, it is all from the same pot.
So, when someone around here starts on those behaviors, I have been know to, on occasion, throw the child an attention party. You wanted attention? Here is your attention! We are all looking at you now- are you enjoying it? Lets do the attention dance! Then I do something really stupid looking in my happiness to provide the attention my child (thinks she)needs.
Of course the disclaimer, all kids are different and what works for one may not work for another and for that matter may not work tomorrow but will work next week. And repeat.
We do the attention parties. Works on her brother. TOTALLY works on her emotionally healthy little sister.
But Mar ... not so much.
Of course, I do it anyway, because I love to look stupid. :)
I have nothing to contribute other than to say that I have immense respect for you and your husband- the amount of energy, creativity, wisdom, research, etc. etc. etc. that you pour into your kids, and the way you never give up or lose it with them . . . I do not know how you do it, but it is one of the most direct displays of God's love that I have come across. Always a huge challenge to me. God be with you!
This is going to be truly boring. Clinical narcissism is called Narcissitic personality Disorder which is said not to be disagnosable until age 18. That said, looking at the reason people develop personality disorders is often due to conditions like RAD that are not treated. So it is great Mar is making this progress now. It is much more difficult after adulthood. MUCH
It's kind of where we have been with Tortuga. He has the RAD/ODD diagnosis and I think he is attaching well in many ways but the ODD is his "life-line" and he is oppositional to BE oppositional so when confronted with two good choices he is/was immobilized because he wasn't able to figure out how to be oppositional.
I think the entitlement thing with him stems so much from his fear of not having AND his low self esteem that he kept himself alive by inflating his sense of entitlement at least in his public persona with the people who care for him and thus treats us like dirt. We name it all along the way and recently that has given him pause.
It's a tough battle though...
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